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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

If you are insinuating this is not a popularity contest and is an important position that requires experience, then deflect this and attack the GOP vp instead of telling us exactly what the DNC p has ever done.

I can tell you some discrepancies:

> 1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google' Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

> 2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

> 3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

> 4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

> 5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

> 6) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12..5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more...go to.....,_only_6..25%_African

> 7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam'";pageId=60559

> 8.) My School In Indonesia was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."

> 9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

> 10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
> 11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

> 12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

> 13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

> 14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My outlook on Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

> 15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV,
> that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

> 16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

> 17.) Oops, I Mis-voted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your mis-vote.

> 18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

> 19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

> 20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

> 21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

> 22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

> 23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

> 24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

> 25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

> 26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

> 27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

> 28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

> 29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel ..

> 30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

> 31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

> 32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

> 33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

> 34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

> 35) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

> 36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

> 37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

> 38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it

I got this in one of those annoying chain letters I usually don't read but found it interesting. I have not personally verified everything but a spot check seems like its on point so far.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

NoiseCollector, it is important to remember that Barack Obama is a politician.

The "facts" do seem worth investigating but scratching the surface they seem bogus.

I'm not going to change your minds if I brought a continents of vaulable facts and analysis, so I won't bother.

I can tell you that Swahili is not Arabic but does have many loan words. And if you think those Africans are "Arab" you really should check out the history of East Africa. Sure Amharic is a Semitic language but that doesn't make the people who speak it Semitic, or maybe it does if or define ethnicity by language.

Obama isn't alone in some comments -- here was an interesting article in the SF chronicle on the Muslim call to prayer and US blues, and in a Scorcese (?) doc on the blues. Reprinted better here:

One guy told me to check out Van Morrison but I forgot the song, maybe "Crazy Love."
Which GD song?

In any case I'm sure there will be disappointments with any president. But really doesn't this darkness got to give?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

lord have mercy NC, don't confuse him with the facts!! (nor i, i love my god ordained grip on the truth-haha)

well, it's the music that matters, left or right. I wonder who named the 2 "wings" makes it seem like the right is right-tee-hee. Boot camp for all you leftist scum!! arghhhhhhhhhhhh!! ;)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am


Or is that


Don't dig too deep NC you might just scare yourself.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

word brother!!!!

see you all in a month

peace and love